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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the nsa

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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hi everyone and welcome to your contact

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in the desert free

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host window my name is andy andy

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mcgrillen and i host that ufo podcast

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i am scottish there's no subtitles for

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the video so i'll try and speak as slow

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as possible for you

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and i'm going to be with you for the

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next 45 minutes with uh

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a guest and friend of mine over the last

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year as i've come to know him

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um a little bit about first though about

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my podcast so that ufo podcast has been

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going now for

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around about one year just over one year

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it's grown really quickly i'm based in

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the uk

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but i've had guests and chats like louie

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elizondo george knapp

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avi luebbe brandon fugal uh james fox

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coming up jeremy corbell's coming up

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and many of the speakers you are going

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to see and here at contact in the desert

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as well

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so i'm really excited to speak to ryan

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sprague of

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somewhere in the skies ryan how are we

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how's it going man

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hey it's been an exciting few days to

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say the least so i'm sure uh

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we got plenty to talk about here at

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context in the desert it's been a crazy

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few days and weeks and obviously

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which was the start of contact in the

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was that report going to drop on the

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same day and that's just blown up and

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the whole world seems to be looking at

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and everything so it's a really really

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good time for it it's been planned

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extremely well in that sense

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genius marketing contact genius

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almost like they knew it wasn't it um

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ryan we've spoke several times as well

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and uh we've both got podcasts that have

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if not slightly more

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you are one of those speakers you're a

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busy man in general

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you're never usually in one place for

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uh you glow pop but you're here for

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contacting the desert

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and you've got some some cool stuff

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you'll be doing uh so tell us what

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you're sharing this year

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yeah absolutely so uh yesterday actually

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i hosted a panel at contact in the

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uh with military eyewitnesses and i

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uh jason turner and matthew roberts who

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in some way somehow connected to the now

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and the go fest so uh for anyone who

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um i am a ufo researcher who focuses on

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changes them in many ways so it was a

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affected them you know we've got the

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share that with the audience at contact

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in the desert now what more can i tease

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out of you we want people to go and

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himself for anyone who wants to uh go

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is they look great and if you've got an

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discuss that in the time we've got

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together because i know again you're a

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busy guy you've got stuff to do

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straight after this as well um you deal

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can see your book just in the background

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now oh yeah that was that was not on

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i swear no no absolutely not you know

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bottom of the screen where you can buy

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yeah part of the uh the gimbal and go

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fast events

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sure how how do you read them when they

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about this incident now because they

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the public eye for a couple of years

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when they speak how do they come across

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still excites them or

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do they still have a lot of questions so

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he is the most recent to come forward as

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well and uh you know he just recently

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again andy i think i like to um pride

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on being able to judge people in their

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i'd like to think i have some

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idea of if these people are telling me

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the truth or not and i will say

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um before we even started recording for

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the panel uh

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i listened to these three guys talked

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back and forth together

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and the lingo was just spot on man you

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could tell

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these are experienced navy servicemen

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and they know what they're talking about

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just

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you know the words they would use and um

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how they described things and i just i

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got no sense that anything was

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exaggerated

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they all just told their stories as they

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experienced it

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so um for me it was really exciting to

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finally hear matthew um i wasn't

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familiar with him

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before contact in the desert uh

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connected us

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so i'm so happy that i now have someone

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else i can talk to

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and start to unravel these stories with

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him as well so

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yeah it's exciting i think that's the

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beauty of something like contacting

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the desert especially being virtual this

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year for obviously reasons that can't be

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helped but

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you do get to go and see a panel of

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someone you'll know someone you've heard

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of and then maybe someone else you're

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not too sure of and

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you realize oh they've got an

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interesting part to the story or

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perspective i've not heard before

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and it goes that goes without saying for

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for many of the speakers as well and i'm

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sure within some of the different

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workshops you'll hear people mention

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different speakers who

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you may be interested in one field like

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remote viewing and you're aware of one

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person

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but they mention someone else and you

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can go over and nip in and see them as

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well which is great

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now just remind everyone before we get

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on to talking a little bit about you

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and i'm going to be asking you some

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questions as well ryan what is your

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panel all about again and how can they

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how can they find it and when can they

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find it

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sure uh so i believe it premiered

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yesterday and it was called

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um uh military ufo encounters

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uh conversations with eyewitnesses flip

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that around conversations with

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eyewitnesses

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coal and military encounters uh so i

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believe it is available

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to stream for the next couple weeks or

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so whatever pass you gotta contact in

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the desert

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and yeah i mean it was about an hour and

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a half um i had to edit it down

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unfortunately uh for contact in the

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desert purposes

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but man they they fit a lot into that

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panel and i was very

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uh blown away by it i left having more

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questions than answers but again these

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guys

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just because they're military doesn't

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mean they're not human these things

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affected them just like it does every

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other

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person in every walk of life so yeah i

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hope people check that out in the

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archives again

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yeah please do people obviously you're

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on the website already if you're

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watching this contacting

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the desert.com you can view the passes

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and you can access that content as well

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like ryan said

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on demand for the next couple of weeks

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ryan a little bit about yourself

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now if someone is coming on to this they

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may have seen you especially if they're

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in the us on television

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and they they may or may not listen to

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your podcast i imagine they would have

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because it's a really good podcast it's

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how i

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got into the podcasting subject for this

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side of ufos and aliens as well

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there's not many better out there i can

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guarantee you that

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now no you're welcome i've said that to

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you privately as well that's not a lie

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um what was it that got you into this

389
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field to the point

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where your life is investigating ufos

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speaking to experiences and

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spending your days editing podcasts

393
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yeah it's a second job for sure anyone

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out there especially contact in the

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desert

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i know how hard this stuff is to pull

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together so um

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i commend anyone who has a podcast

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especially you andy

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you're doing an incredible job man you

401
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become my inspiration and we keep each

402
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other

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dunkin donuts next to a starbucks right

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like we just we keep each other at the

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uh the quality we should be

406
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um yeah i guess i'll go through the um

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the bridge version i

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i saw a ufo when i was a kid i was 12.

409
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um this is in upstate new york

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i had a sighting of a triangular

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formation of lights

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uh a perfect equilateral triangle over

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the state lawrence river

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uh my father was witness to this as well

415
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and we did not see a machine

416
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or anything like that but we it was a

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perfect triangle and it just

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floated over this river uh completely

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silent

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couldn't hear a thing i could hear the

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water hitting the dock that was

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really about it and uh it headed towards

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canada which was actually

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right on the other side of the river and

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disappeared and

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me and my dad just stood there

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dumbfounded and you know he kind of

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moved on with his life but clearly i did

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not

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um i had nightmares about that formation

431
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of lights for years

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and um only a year later after that i

433
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went to the library just like a lot of

434
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people and

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went to that back section in the corner

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with the loch ness monster and bigfoot

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and ufos

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and i took out a book by stanton t

439
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friedman and my life changed after that

440
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i started interviewing witnesses uh at

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age 13 i interviewed my first

442
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military witness who is a vietnam

443
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veteran

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who had a dramatic foo fighter encounter

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over the pacific ocean

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and i was the first and the last person

447
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that he ever told about this

448
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he passed away several months after uh

449
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finally revealing this to me

450
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a 13 year old so i was very honored for

451
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that

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and uh ever since i've just made it my

453
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my i guess duty in the ufo field to

454
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really give a voice to the people who

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have these experiences

456
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and um you know fast forward i i write

457
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for various outlets about the phenomenon

458
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and the people who experienced it

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uh most notably probably open minds

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magazine

461
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and now the debrief and uh it's been a

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crazy journey ever since like you said

463
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man i've done some television which is

464
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an experience in itself

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i'm sure we could get to that but um i

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love it

467
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i love meeting people i love traveling i

468
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love hearing their stories

469
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and i think the more people who tell

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their stories to people like

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us uh the more this topic is going to be

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normal

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and the more we can shed that stigma

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that i think the pentagon is trying to

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do

476
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as well from the inside with military

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encounters so uh

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i i see everything changing and i'm so

479
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excited to be a part of that journey

480
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right now with everyone else

481
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what have been some of your personal

482
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highlights aside from contacting desert

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which i'm sure is up there

484
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what have been some of your personal

485
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highlights in that time

486
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so i would have to say any time i get to

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leave my you know walk-in closet of an

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apartment here in new york city

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and uh travel and meet people i mean

490
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i've i've gotten to meet people in

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london

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who told me their stories i've been to

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nova scotia

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and uh halifax in in canada and

495
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heard incredible stories uh including

496
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the shag harbor incident ufo crash

497
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so if your you know viewers and

498
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listeners aren't familiar hi i highly

499
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suggest looking at that case

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um and all over the united states i've

501
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been to every single state in the united

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states

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except north dakota i've never been to

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north dakota

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but i'm hoping to get there and i have

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interviewed people in every single state

507
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so for me the most rewarding thing is

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again

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meeting people hearing their stories and

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adding it

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just to that long list man of everyone

512
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who's ever had an experience

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and was once afraid to talk about it

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they're not now and

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it it's empowering it truly is and my

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follow-up to that would be what do you

517
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have against north dakota

518
00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:50,079
no that's not um so now you

519
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you've interviewed a lot of great people

520
00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:53,040
and that's that was one of my favorite

521
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things to listen to and my show has

522
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:56,800
evolved and developed through

523
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:59,279
it's like my favorite band is oasis and

524
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:01,040
they're famously you know ripped off the

525
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:02,480
beatles but if you're going to rip off

526
00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:04,000
the beatles and you borrow the bet from

527
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:04,959
the best don't you

528
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:06,880
and like your podcast i've taken

529
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:08,559
elements of yours and other podcasts i

530
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:10,240
listen to and make it my own sort of

531
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style and

532
00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:13,919
try and go forward with that if you had

533
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:14,720
to recommend

534
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one interview for someone brand new

535
00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:18,400
right now to ryan sprague to go and

536
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listen to on your podcast what would it

537
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be

538
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,880
oh wow that's such a good question um

539
00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:26,799
you know they're all my children i love

540
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:29,120
them all the same that old cliche but um

541
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,960
the one that's really

542
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,559
coming to mind for me would have to be

543
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:34,320
uh and i know you've interviewed this

544
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:35,919
gentleman as well was uh

545
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:38,720
jeremy mcgowan who was in uh air force

546
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security

547
00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:42,880
and um he had this crazy crazy

548
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:43,679
experience

549
00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:46,640
in the jordanian desert um back during

550
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you know

551
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:51,520
everything and uh

552
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,400
he he went to the base he was supposed

553
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to go to he was told to guard

554
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this random crate guard a crate in the

555
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middle of the desert

556
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:01,600
he wasn't told what was in it and why he

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00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:03,679
was guarding it and then one night he

558
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:04,559
witnessed a

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00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:08,080
ufo in the sky that came directly

560
00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:10,720
over this crate and then disappeared out

561
00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:13,120
of sight it made unbelievable maneuvers

562
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:15,840
jeremy believes that whatever this ufo

563
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:17,760
was doing there it was trying to figure

564
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:19,280
out what was in the crate

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00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:21,760
and then um you know he has some pretty

566
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:23,120
interesting theories on

567
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:24,720
what was in the crate and where it went

568
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,240
after that so i

569
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:28,480
didn't know what i was getting into when

570
00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:30,080
i did that interview i don't know about

571
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:30,480
you

572
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:32,720
either man but um i can't believe the

573
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:34,880
response that you got and i got to those

574
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:35,679
interviews

575
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:37,679
with jeremy it's been probably one of my

576
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:40,320
most popular episodes to date and um

577
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:43,200
again it affected jeremy in many ways he

578
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:44,960
is now a part of this community

579
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:48,720
he has taken it on himself to um

580
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:51,919
to create a ufo tracking device that is

581
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:53,520
literally mounted on his

582
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:56,240
jeep that he brings out wherever he goes

583
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:58,080
to try to detect ufos

584
00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:00,320
so talk about changing someone's life

585
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:01,840
man it's crazy

586
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,919
so i highly suggest people check out

587
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:05,520
that episode it's called the crate in

588
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,720
the desert

589
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,559
awesome you you name yours a bit more

590
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:10,320
creatively than i do mines is just

591
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:13,520
jeremy mcgowan um but like you said

592
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:14,240
jeremy's got

593
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:18,799
as he calls it which uh as a fully

594
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:20,480
kitted out i'm going to say jeep because

595
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:21,840
that's the type of car it looks like to

596
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,400
me

597
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:24,480
um but if you imagine the ghostbusters

598
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:25,440
ecto one

599
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:28,000
but for ufo tracking that is essentially

600
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,360
what he has he's uh

601
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,280
hooked up with sky hub so he has the

602
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:33,200
top-of-the-line equipment all over this

603
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,679
thing

604
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:36,000
and he he has plans for it so keep an

605
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:37,440
eye on that one but certainly check out

606
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:38,480
those interviews with

607
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:41,280
with ryan and jeremy as well now that's

608
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,480
got you up to this point

609
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,880
and this point just seems to have been a

610
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:46,880
case of three years has built up to what

611
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,360
happened on on friday where we had

612
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,760
the 180 day deadline of the uap task

613
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:53,440
force report and it dropped

614
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:57,120
eventually uh around 4 15 pm eastern

615
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,080
time in the us

616
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,559
which for us in the uk was uh just after

617
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:02,480
9 pm which is always nice to stay up

618
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:03,600
later which we've had to do our whole

619
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:04,559
lives but

620
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,799
it was for the it was requested for and

621
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:08,320
led by the us which

622
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:10,159
like it or not for this is the worldwide

623
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:11,520
conference so those people listening to

624
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,720
this from all over

625
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,799
the us whether you like it or not are

626
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:16,400
leading the way in this topic in this

627
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,919
conversation so

628
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:19,440
there's going to be a huge opportunity

629
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,520
for america to to shape

630
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,200
their narrative and how they want this

631
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:25,200
to go and it certainly seems like

632
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:27,039
it's not going back in the box anytime

633
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:28,720
soon um

634
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,600
what were your initial expectations

635
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:33,440
before it came out on the task force

636
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:34,000
report

637
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:35,600
you've got the benefit of hindsight now

638
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:37,039
ryan and i know you've spoke about this

639
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:38,720
on your podcast so you can't make up

640
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:41,840
that you know exactly what was coming

641
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:45,200
exactly man um so i i

642
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,640
i've always been um and i i've i listen

643
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,840
to people like

644
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:51,679
former director of eight tip luis

645
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,919
elizondo the beautiful poster you have

646
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:55,039
there in the background

647
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:58,640
um and many other intelligence uh

648
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,960
sources that i've spoken to and military

649
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,080
saying don't expect

650
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:05,120
much do not expect much so i i was one

651
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:06,159
of the people who tempered my

652
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,280
expectations

653
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,760
i went in really not thinking we were

654
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,200
you know maybe a page

655
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,840
i literally expected like a one-page

656
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:15,200
memo to be like

657
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:17,679
ufos are out there we're looking into it

658
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:18,559
um

659
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,840
i i can't say i was disappointed i was a

660
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:27,120
little bummed that we didn't get

661
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,640
specific cases

662
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,559
um brought to us in this report that

663
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,400
came out and something like

664
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:34,799
70 pages were in the classified version

665
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,799
the public got nine pages

666
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:39,760
so again a little deflating but man they

667
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,240
again

668
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,000
like you said in hindsight the first

669
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:44,640
time i read it i was like okay

670
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:47,280
okay now what is i expecting no videos

671
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:48,159
no

672
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,120
but the more you read this thing um

673
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:57,840
it's so interesting how they worded all

674
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,480
of this

675
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:01,039
and broke it down and i think it's a lot

676
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,480
more positive

677
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,640
in terms of what comes next than a lot

678
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,840
of people are giving it

679
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,200
credit for i know a lot of people are

680
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:09,520
like it's exactly like project blue book

681
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,000
or

682
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:12,880
government have done in the past to kind

683
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,600
of

684
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:16,080
brush it aside and move on with life i

685
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,679
don't see that happening

686
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,159
um especially with this report which if

687
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,240
you want to get into details we can but

688
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:24,559
yeah that's uh my initial reaction i was

689
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:25,440
like

690
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,559
now right now two days later in

691
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,880
processing it i'm really excited i i

692
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:32,400
think there's some interesting stuff in

693
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,520
store

694
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,919
now already from that dropping and at

695
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,520
the time we recorded this it was almost

696
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,120
48 hours ago

697
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,679
it's uh sunday evening as we talk or

698
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,600
sunday afternoon in the us

699
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:46,080
the there's already been fallout and

700
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,600
there has been action and consequence

701
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,200
off the back of it almost immediately

702
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,960
there was a memorandum sent out

703
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:52,559
which without going into the detail

704
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,840
because you know i'm not military and

705
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,360
can't read these things very well

706
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,679
but essentially deputy deputy secretary

707
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,720
of defense

708
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:01,039
um instructing people that this should

709
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,919
be reported now

710
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,600
they're telling everyone in the military

711
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,520
you report this you talk about it

712
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,440
that's almost overnight getting rid of

713
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,360
that stigma you would hope

714
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,120
i've got no doubt at a grassroots level

715
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,960
it may still exist in some way

716
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,799
shape or form but that would be a

717
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,880
personal thing but on mass they're

718
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:18,559
asking the us military to talk about

719
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,280
this now

720
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,200
that in itself for me is a huge one and

721
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:23,679
almost overtakes the importance of the

722
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,400
report

723
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,720
as this is the next step already

724
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,679
happening for me

725
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:30,080
what do you think about that ryan two

726
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,440
things i think this

727
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:34,000
memo by the uh the department of defense

728
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,720
is

729
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,799
a million times more important than the

730
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,159
nine page report

731
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:41,120
uh and i'll i'll get to that in a second

732
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,720
the other thing i want to touch on

733
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:45,120
is the military witnesses that i

734
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:46,640
interviewed in that panel

735
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,000
uh they were afraid to report this

736
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,000
i've spoken to so many military people

737
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,919
who did not report it

738
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,000
and not talked about it and held it in

739
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:58,080
for years but now look man

740
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,360
literally the pentagon here in the

741
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,000
united states is saying please report it

742
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,039
and please do it in a timely fashion and

743
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,520
if you can record it we don't care if

744
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,039
it's on official military

745
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:11,440
sensors or cameras or your freaking cell

746
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,159
phone like

747
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,760
we want to figure out what these things

748
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:15,200
are are because they could be a

749
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,320
potential threat

750
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,400
um going back to this memo that you

751
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,799
mentioned two major things came out of

752
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:21,760
that i think

753
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,880
uh one is they want all

754
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,799
military branches to report these things

755
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,240
within two weeks

756
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,960
of the event which i think is amazing

757
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,320
again like it gives

758
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,480
us more immediate time or i should say

759
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:36,559
that military branch or what have you

760
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:39,760
to look into the event um and second

761
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:42,880
the memo also stressed that they want a

762
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,559
permanent program this uap

763
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,440
task force it's a task force once the

764
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,880
task is done they move on

765
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,360
um the test clearly is not done so i

766
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:54,720
think it's really important to

767
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:57,520
um to really focus on what the dod is

768
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:58,000
saying

769
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,600
and that they want to take up the brains

770
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:01,840
now and they want to form some sort of

771
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:02,720
permanent

772
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,480
uap um collecting data program

773
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:08,240
which is super exciting that's more than

774
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:09,840
we could have ever asked for

775
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,080
in terms of all this so i look forward

776
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,919
to whatever comes next with this

777
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,080
hopefully permanent ufo group

778
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:19,440
within the uh the government

779
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,520
now that is exciting and i'm going to

780
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,440
play devil's advocate here though

781
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,520
what do you expect to come from that

782
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:27,200
though because there are some who would

783
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,760
say

784
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,520
it's the the us government taking

785
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:31,760
control they will have a group that they

786
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,320
will set

787
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,480
up what comes out will be what they want

788
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:35,440
to come out

789
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,240
and it's just another way of of getting

790
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:40,159
the data out that they want out or do

791
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,120
you think

792
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,440
they have the best intentions or not

793
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,880
best intentions might not be the right

794
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,600
phrase but

795
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:47,440
do you think they genuinely want to push

796
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:48,880
this conversation forward

797
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,159
just at their own pace both

798
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:54,559
i i think they are clearly in this for

799
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,840
their own reasons

800
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:57,760
again i think a lot of this has to do

801
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,039
with and look the core

802
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,760
and the memo both said we need more

803
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,880
funding

804
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,799
we need to increase the technology we're

805
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,039
using to try to unravel these two

806
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,520
uap incidents dude what what was it they

807
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,600
looked at like 24 cases

808
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,000
and they could only explain one of them

809
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:16,480
with a conventional explanation of a

810
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:19,600
a balloon a deflated balloon so they

811
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,080
don't

812
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:22,640
have the means to actually answer these

813
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:23,440
questions

814
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:26,880
that both they want and the public want

815
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:30,559
so um i do think it's a way to get

816
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,440
funding

817
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:34,559
uh and to increase the technology

818
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,120
they're gonna

819
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:37,120
use to try to understand these things

820
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,480
and defend

821
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,480
the united states yeah of course they

822
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,080
have their own reasons for doing it

823
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,120
but we're now hearing of these um

824
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:47,600
sort of task forces or programs being

825
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,400
set up

826
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,240
in japan um in south america

827
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,520
in um you know several european

828
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,240
places as well so i think it's it's kind

829
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:00,880
of like every it's like a new cold war

830
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,760
of ufo tracking which i think is cool so

831
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:05,919
while the united states might be um

832
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,840
leading by example which they always

833
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,039
seem to do

834
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,279
uh i hope that these other countries

835
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,720
will hold the u.s

836
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,320
to a certain standard when it comes to

837
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,840
this topic and um

838
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,720
hopefully hopefully a lot of that will

839
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,240
trickle down to the public

840
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,640
we're going to see i guarantee this that

841
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,559
classified report from the pentagon

842
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:26,399
we're going to see leaks happen we're

843
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,600
going to see statements

844
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,520
maybe we'll see videos maybe we'll see

845
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,360
photos um

846
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:33,360
keep a lookout this upcoming week that's

847
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,399
all i'm gonna say

848
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:36,320
uh it's gonna happen it happened with

849
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:37,440
the tic tac video

850
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,440
it's gonna happen again because i do

851
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,200
firmly believe people in the government

852
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,600
want this information out to the public

853
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,440
even at the risk of their own careers i

854
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,679
i do think that no i won't ask anymore

855
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,760
about the potential upcoming leaks or

856
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,120
what may or may not come out

857
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,919
but on tuesday tmz have a documentary

858
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,159
where jeremy corbell is teasing

859
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,760
potentially dropping some information as

860
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,760
well would that be totally unrelated

861
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,000
ryan or do you think we're going to see

862
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,720
something from tmz now tmz not that they

863
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:06,399
would sensationalize anything of course

864
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,120
right and

865
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,039
even a limited knowledge of tmz in the

866
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,200
uk i know what it's all about

867
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:13,360
but do you think they genuinely have

868
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,320
some new

869
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:16,320
unseen footage that is going to be of

870
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,029
no comment no i'm just kidding i

871
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,760
i honestly don't know um jeremy corbell

872
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,279
is a friend of mine and

873
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:30,480
a colleague and we do um we do

874
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,279
correspond

875
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,760
regularly that being said like i'm not

876
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,520
the kind of researcher who would be like

877
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,960
give me what you got give me what you

878
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,360
got like jeremy has a strategy

879
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,440
and he has clearly gained the trust of

880
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,200
people within the intel

881
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,600
community and the military to get these

882
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,480
things uh now the motivation behind that

883
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,480
in giving it to jeremy is a completely

884
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:52,559
different story i i have no knowledge of

885
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,960
that

886
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,720
whatsoever and i'm also not saying

887
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,480
jeremy's a part of any sort of

888
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,399
disinformation campaign

889
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,080
or anything like that i firmly believe

890
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,520
jeremy does a good work

891
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,880
and has really uh challenged the

892
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,320
government when it comes to

893
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,320
what they might have done before those

894
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,399
videos came out and where we stand now

895
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,880
um so possibly i never in my life

896
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:13,919
thought tmz

897
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,559
would be the one to like break something

898
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,960
in the ufo world or get these exclusive

899
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,840
interviews

900
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,840
with senators and congressmen here in

901
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,880
the united states

902
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,720
that no one else was apparently able to

903
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,320
get so um hey

904
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,480
it's going to come from tmz nothing

905
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,080
surprises me anymore man in

906
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,360
2021 so but you know you're totally

907
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,960
right when it comes to jeremy corbell

908
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,799
it's nothing against him but regardless

909
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,480
who it was and this includes luella's

910
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,159
ondo chris mellon

911
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,880
and others especially tom delong it's

912
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:45,039
why them that question always has to be

913
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,760
asked

914
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,200
but why would you give it to them

915
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:49,039
there's the why not which is a bit of an

916
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,159
obvious one but

917
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,480
it's as interesting absolutely without

918
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:54,320
going into details on those people then

919
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,760
i've mentioned tmz but discovery has a

920
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,840
on discovery unclassified has its own

921
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,000
documentary out in the next few days

922
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:05,279
and then hbo max has jj abrams who has

923
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,679
had

924
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:07,919
many different movies around the

925
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,399
phenomenon or you know mystery sci-fi

926
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,799
really has a big interest in the subject

927
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,000
i mean star trek

928
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,840
obviously is up there in his you know

929
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,440
his catalogue

930
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:19,039
that they're all coming out within a few

931
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,559
weeks of each other now

932
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,960
that's that can't be coincidence can it

933
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,799
that we've had this report coming

934
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,120
and then obviously with the tmz one it's

935
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,360
days after and discovery but jj abrams

936
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,880
four-part docu-series

937
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,480
that's been in the works for some time

938
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,120
as well so clearly there's people

939
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,240
connected within hollywood that are are

940
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,760
hearing that this is the time to get

941
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:42,080
this stuff out

942
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:45,679
yes um there has always been a

943
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,720
symbiotic relationship between hollywood

944
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,360
and the us government i mean going back

945
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:52,720
even to the 50s

946
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,880
uh it has been used for propaganda it

947
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,799
has been used for recruitment

948
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,559
uh top gun probably being the prime

949
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:00,960
example that movie was literally made

950
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,080
with air force funding to uh get more

951
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,080
get more dudes to go up there and fight

952
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,080
for uh the united states and it worked i

953
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,679
think recruiting went up

954
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:12,399
they said something like 80 after top

955
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,360
gun came out

956
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,200
and we're getting top gun maverick

957
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,799
coming out soon so

958
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,480
who knows that might be connected to all

959
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,399
this again maybe we'll see the tic tac

960
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:23,360
in the new uh tom cruise maverick movie

961
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:23,919
but um

962
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,120
i digress um i would say

963
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,480
look at the work of um cinema professor

964
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:32,320
robbie graham who wrote an incredible

965
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,600
book called silver

966
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,679
screen saucers uh all about the

967
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,679
relationship between hollywood and ufos

968
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,880
and i do think

969
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,120
um hollywood is used to get information

970
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:43,120
out to the public in some ways and also

971
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,840
to

972
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:45,760
disinform the public but i don't think

973
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,880
it's a coincidence

974
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,799
that um all of these things are

975
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:51,039
happening now it's clearly a concerted

976
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,600
effort

977
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,240
for hollywood to be like ufos are in the

978
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,919
mainstream right now because of all this

979
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,120
pentagon stuff let's

980
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,880
let's put something out there let's do

981
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,120
it um that's how it works man i mean

982
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:03,600
and i don't fault production companies

983
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,240
for doing that

984
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,559
you you make what's in the zeitgeist at

985
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,640
the time to get the most ratings it's

986
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,360
all about ratings um but i think the

987
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:12,960
people involved with these things people

988
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:13,440
like

989
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:16,240
josh gates and jeremy and uh you know

990
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,880
nick pope

991
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,200
or whoever's on these things including

992
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:20,880
the j.j abrams series

993
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,679
uh they want to get their information

994
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:25,120
out there and what better way to get it

995
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:25,840
out to

996
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:28,000
millions of people than through

997
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,440
television so

998
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,480
um hey man i've been there uh you know

999
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,320
while entertainment is one thing

1000
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,159
uh i'm trying to get my information out

1001
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,840
to as many people as i can

1002
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,919
so if i will use hollywood if they're

1003
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:41,360
gonna use me i guess this is

1004
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,559
the way to put it and i think that's

1005
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,720
what we're seeing right now ufos are the

1006
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,600
biggest thing

1007
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:48,000
on everyone's lips right now and i think

1008
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:49,360
it's going to continue to be that way

1009
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,559
for a while

1010
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,080
now one more thing i want to touch on

1011
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,519
we've looked at the military aspect of

1012
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:55,039
things with your panel we've talked

1013
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,640
about hollywood there as well

1014
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,640
the the scientific community the

1015
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:00,799
mainstream scientific community

1016
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,440
are are one that has been very stubborn

1017
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,880
on getting on board with this

1018
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,159
conversation

1019
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,399
available is one who seems to have

1020
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:10,240
broken away from the pack now avi is one

1021
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,480
of

1022
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,000
the main speakers that contact in the

1023
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,399
desert this year you've spoken to avi

1024
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:17,120
i've spoken to avi joe rogan has spoken

1025
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,000
to avi

1026
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:20,000
now he has put himself out there in

1027
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,360
quite a big way

1028
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,679
what did what does it say to you that we

1029
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:25,840
finally have someone who is a

1030
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,240
a top guy at harvard you know to put it

1031
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,760
to put it bluntly

1032
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,519
coming out and having a conversation

1033
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,440
that do you know what maybe we should be

1034
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,080
looking at ufos

1035
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,080
yeah so i've heard in the past couple

1036
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:40,640
days that avi lopez even like said

1037
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,840
hey if um you know the dod once wants a

1038
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:45,279
scientist to come in and work with them

1039
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,320
on this ufo

1040
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,320
thing uh i'd love to be the one to do it

1041
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,760
and i think you'd be perfect

1042
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,480
look this guy is um i believe he said on

1043
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:54,080
your show and mine like

1044
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:57,279
someone's got to be the one to like go

1045
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,320
out first

1046
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,880
and um step on those minds so that the

1047
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,159
people behind them

1048
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,279
uh know what to look out for and uh can

1049
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,919
get to that next step quicker and uh

1050
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,960
more safely

1051
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,240
and i thought that was such a beautiful

1052
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,320
analogy because i see him doing that

1053
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,480
he's shunned by a lot of people in the

1054
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,399
mainstream scientific community

1055
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:18,240
and he's respected by many others who

1056
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,000
were afraid to talk about

1057
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:22,960
ufos who are afraid to um sort of

1058
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,919
challenge

1059
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,760
the scientific method in the ways that

1060
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,280
we have come to um

1061
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,079
to understand so i think it's awesome

1062
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,520
that this guy's out there saying you

1063
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,119
know that this object that

1064
00:34:37,149 --> 00:34:35,760
came into our solar system could have

1065
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:37,159
possibly been some sort of

1066
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:38,720
extraterrestrial

1067
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:41,599
probe of some sort now he doesn't say

1068
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:42,320
that is

1069
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:45,440
for sure what it is but we have to ask

1070
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:45,760
those

1071
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,879
questions so um i think it's amazing

1072
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,960
i think more rebellious scientists like

1073
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,399
kim are what we need

1074
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,399
in this place where we put science on a

1075
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,919
pedestal and um

1076
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:58,160
in many ways i i respect that but in

1077
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,200
others i'm like hey

1078
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,800
you're not doing your job unless you're

1079
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,960
looking at all options and this is still

1080
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,920
on the table

1081
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:05,680
so groups like the scientific community

1082
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:07,040
for uap studies

1083
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,480
is something i think people should look

1084
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:10,880
into over 50 scientists who are willing

1085
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,280
to

1086
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:13,200
put their necks on the line and look

1087
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,400
into these uap

1088
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,000
and hopefully work with the government

1089
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,760
if they want them to

1090
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,599
and i picked up on this at the time avi

1091
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,440
said on on various podcasts including

1092
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:23,040
joe rogan where

1093
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,800
and some people picked up on a sense of

1094
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,480
he's looking to make money but no

1095
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,160
what what avi was getting at was he's

1096
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,320
happy to be involved but it needs

1097
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,640
serious funding avi coming out and

1098
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:34,320
putting his neck on the line only goes

1099
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,280
so far

1100
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,040
it's great there's someone talking about

1101
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,200
it but it becomes a point it's just talk

1102
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,800
avi can only do so much

1103
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,400
same with those scientists involved

1104
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,880
within the scu as well it needs serious

1105
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,520
funding and

1106
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,880
hopefully this is where it all comes

1107
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:49,119
full circle and off the back of this uep

1108
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,400
task force report

1109
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:52,240
funding from the scientific community

1110
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,760
from whatever avenue

1111
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:56,079
private or otherwise starts to go out so

1112
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,960
people like avi

1113
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,200
and others come forward so that they

1114
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,960
start looking at us more seriously

1115
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,560
to the point where we get our neil

1116
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,320
degrasse tyson so as a

1117
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,880
a science celebrity having a bit more of

1118
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,359
a serious conversation about it as well

1119
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,160
ryan any final words or thoughts before

1120
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,160
we wrap up

1121
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,880
oh um no i thank you for doing this andy

1122
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,720
like i said i'm a huge fan

1123
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,119
of the work you do and i think it's so

1124
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,359
refreshing to see people like you

1125
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,760
and uh deep prasad and a lot of these

1126
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:26,720
other younger

1127
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,680
uh diverse speakers at this event i

1128
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:31,359
think contact in the desert has gone out

1129
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,320
of their way

1130
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:35,119
to diversify the people in this

1131
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,160
community

1132
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,640
and uh give people a voice that normally

1133
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,160
would not have that

1134
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,839
so again i think this is awesome that

1135
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,680
you're doing these interviews

1136
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,839
and um i know you got some other really

1137
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,359
cool ones coming up but

1138
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,000
all i'll say is um thank you thank you

1139
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,839
for this opportunity for letting me

1140
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,920
give my thoughts and uh if anyone is

1141
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,119
interested today

1142
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,320
i'm also doing my lecture as well uh a

1143
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,400
human approach to the ufo phenomenon

1144
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,160
here at contact in the desert so i hope

1145
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,680
they'll check that out as well but

1146
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,760
other than that man this has been great

1147
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,359
i'm so happy we got to

1148
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:10,160
catch up again and uh yeah many more

1149
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,440
conversations to be had

1150
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,240
i'm sure listen you can check out ryan

1151
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,400
on twitter uh he's got us at some

1152
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:19,119
uh somewhere in skye's twitter handle uh

1153
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,079
at

1154
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:22,240
summer skies summer skies you've got

1155
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:23,280
your rhine sprague

1156
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,480
at reinsprag 51 that is correct

1157
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,240
good job that's it off the top guess

1158
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:29,920
what the 51 stands for

1159
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,960
yeah it's almost as easy

1160
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,800
and off the back of that as well you can

1161
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:36,079
check out his podcast

1162
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,599
available anywhere podcasts are

1163
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,000
available and on youtube and also please

1164
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:41,839
check out his book titled summit in the

1165
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,560
skies

1166
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,960
available on amazon and all independent

1167
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,640
book sellers as well i'm sure

1168
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,079
wanting to pick up on that one ryan

1169
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,480
pleasure speaking with you thank you so

1170
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:52,240
much andy have a good rest of your time

1171
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,800
at uh

1172
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,720
contact in the desert we'll talk soon

1173
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,320
you too

1174
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,400
that is all for this week's show thank

1175
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,079
you very much for listening

1176
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,920
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1177
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,079
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1178
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,800
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1179
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,720
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1180
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,160
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1181
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,240
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1182
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,240
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1183
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,880
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1184
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,160
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1185
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,400
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1186
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:22,560
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1187
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,400
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1188
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:28,480
and again folks as always keep looking

1189
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:01,780
and smoke

1190
00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:27,190
[Music]

1191
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,630
and i woke up in my bed and there was

1192
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,320
something on my head and everything was

1193
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,760
weird and everything was red

1194
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:33,359
i helped out my boys they thought this

1195
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:34,960
was noise they thought it was a dream

1196
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:42,250
they thought it was my toys

1197
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,200
[Music]

1198
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:51,440
if you really want to know who i think

1199
00:39:57,070 --> 00:39:52,480
it's you and me

1200
00:40:02,210 --> 00:39:57,080
and us and me and him and her and

1201
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:06,790
[Music]

1202
00:40:24,110 --> 00:40:10,079
for being consider your serious

1203
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:24,120
consider time consider your lies

1204
00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:37,190
[Music]

1205
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:39,750
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1206
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:52,130
saucer

1207
00:41:32,829 --> 00:40:59,760
[Music]

1208
00:41:32,839 --> 00:41:36,590
yes